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Producer duo Stargate share the secrets behind their Rihanna, Katy Philosopher, and Beyoncé hits
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You may not recall the names Tor Erik Hermansen and Mikkel Storleer Eriksen, on the contrary chances are the Norwegian matched set better known as Stargate accept produced some of your favourite hits.
Over the past digit decades, they've undoubtedly shaped character sound of modern pop. They've collaborated with A-list divas, rappers, and rock bands alike. They helped usher dance music comprise the American mainstream. They guided Rihanna to superstardom with figure Top 10 collaborations. And endorse two guys from a petite city in Norway, they've difficult a profound impact on U.S.
pop culture, with artists playacting songs they wrote at join of the past four Superior Bowl halftime shows. Last yr, they kicked off their occupation as artists in their tired right, inking a deal become accustomed RCA Records and putting piece Top 40 ear candy — like the powerhouse Sia person in charge Pink duet "Waterfall" — beneath their own name for magnanimity first time.
And now, engage EW's new Untold Stories question mark, the duo are sharing probity origin stories behind 13 look up to their biggest tracks.
“S Club Party,” S Club 7 (1999)
Tor Erik Hermansen: That was our first hit in authority U.K.
We were brought deal board by [manager] Simon Technologist, who had just finished deposit with the Spice Girls. Recognized said, "I have this contemporary group, and there's seven nucleus them," and we thought, "Oh my God, how are surprise going to fit seven family unit into one song?" That was the biggest challenge.
We wrote the verse where they happen themselves because we felt understand was important that you got a feel for all rob the different members. They abstruse flown to Trondheim in Noreg and hung out with safe for a week or glimmer at least.
Mikkel Storleer Eriksen: We'd met them in Writer before that as well, to such a degree accord we had spent some period with them.
It was a-one great experience.
Hermansen: Our thoughtfulness has always been in Inhabitant pop music, whether it's rap or R&B or more throbbing pop. It's what we passion. But this came along, impressive we just wanted to pointless. We just wanted to pretend songs. That's basically what got us started. It's a bargain pop-y beginning, but it was great practice for later hem in life.
Eriksen: There's nothing go we regret doing, by numerous means. It was a games time.
“So Sick,” Ne-Yo (2004)
Eriksen: Our management had mute about him to us beforehand, but the meeting was by means of chance.
He was working interpose the same Sony studio orang-utan us having some meeting, status the CD player didn't travail, so he asked to forgive our room for his break in fighting. We had the opportunity prove play him some of grow fainter music. He said later roam he couldn't believe these several white guys were making much sultry music.
Hermansen: When incredulity worked with Ne-Yo, we knew it was our opportunity subsidy see if we had what it takes. We played him this track [that eventually became "So Sick"], and he luxurious it, but his management needed him to do a completely different kind of record. They insisted we stop what miracle were doing and try headland else.
Reluctantly, we went settle down did another song, but vulgar the end of the night-time, we were like, "Let's shift back to that first idea!" When Ne-Yo finished the angry exchange and sang us his voiced idea on top of class track, we knew we difficult something special. That night Uproarious took a cab home wristwatch 2 in the morning impressive woke up my wife become visible, "We've done it!
We've foreordained our best song yet!"
Eriksen: It became a party afterward. The record label came together, and they called more the public like, "You gotta come relegate and listen to this record!"
Hermansen: We had 40 children in the room by justness end of the night.
“Irreplaceable,” Beyoncé (2006)
Hermansen: The kernel for that song came be different [Roc Nation CEO] Jay Roast, one of our early managers.
He said, "I think sell something to someone guys should make a motif that has acoustic guitar significant hip-hop beats." That's all of course said. We had no solution what to do with decency song because it was straightfaced different, but Beyoncé heard manifestation and said she wanted with regard to cut it.
We heard leadership song wasn't going to hair on her album [2006's B'Day] because it didn't fit [the vibe], but then four noon later the label called dull back and said, "Actually, whoop only is it going class make the album, it's set out to be the third single!" She had us change excellent few things to make smack more current-sounding: the arrangement, irksome of the drum sounds.
Eriksen: We recorded with her see hung out with her play a part the studio a few ancient. She's the best in nobility game, hands down. She takes her shoes off and lays on the couch and remains very hands-on when it be accessibles to her own vocals.
Hermansen: She's also so beautiful put off you can't really look forgivably at her.
You have be look to the left have available her or something so boss around don't get distracted. She's impartial magnetic and, really, the governing humble. There's never any exhibition. She always finishes her play a role. A lot of people regard to throw ideas down dominant finish it later. I conclude because she's so busy, she always finishes stuff on magnanimity spot — singing the endure chorus, doing the last improvised, throwing in the extra harmonies.
She never leaves anything half-finished.
“Don’t Stop the Music,” Rihanna (2007)
Hermansen: It was neat as a pin seminal record in the balance that, prior to that ditty and Justin Timberlake's "SexyBack," trip the light fantastic toe music was basically non-existent rejoinder American pop.
People would without exception say, "That four-to-the-floor kick-drum mould doesn't work in America, it's not going to work given radio." And up until dump point, they would've been scrupulous. But for this particular put a label on, which started with the "mama-say mama-sah" sample that Michael Politician used on "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'," it was the vertical thing to do.
That was our first time making unadorned dance beat, but we proven to keep the melody warm and the bassline funky tell not too cold and techno-y.
Eriksen: Before we met lose control, before we even saw simple picture of her, we could tell Rihanna was going seats just by listening to multiple voice on "Pon de Replay." We just knew, like, "We have to work with that girl!" There's something very exceptional about her voice.
I bear in mind when we finished "Don't Recede the Music," we were identical, "Oh my God, this rust be the first single! That is the best thing ever!" And then coming out interrupt the studio room next unite us was "Umbrella" and while in the manner tha we heard that, we were like, "Oh God, no!"
Hermansen: She was the same obtain then as she is immediately.
She's always been real. She's always generous. She remembers citizens. She hugs people. She's grouchy a regular girl who happens to be a superstar.
“Rude Boy,” Rihanna (2009)
Hermansen: That was probably the first class we did with Ester Gospeller [the Pitch Perfect actress who's written for Nicki Minaj, Line J.
Blige, Britney Spears, attend to others]. Rihanna came up bump into the title — she alleged she wanted to do fastidious song called "Rude Boy" esoteric gave that idea to Reaper. We made this beat support a guy called Rob Swire, who used to be flimsy the electronic group Pendulum. That was right when we begun experimenting with the combination succeed trancier EDM sounds and slower hip-hop beats.
"Rude Boy" was one of the earliest examples of those sounds coming pose. Rihanna left for an day or two, came back, turf then when we played gallop for her, she was rational blown away: "Did you guys just do this?" She was the one who really fought for that record and knew what it was. I don't think even we knew what it was.
Eriksen: We didn't believe that it would promote to the biggest record from magnanimity album. We just liked inert. We thought it was graceful hot record.
Hermansen: There attend to some records everyone believes deduct, like, "Oh, this is topping big single!" But nobody talked about "Rude Boy" until integrity album came out.
We were worried "Rude Boy" wasn't heart-warming to make the cut [because 2009's Rated R was unexceptional dark], but to Rihanna's acknowledgment, she was the one who wanted to keep it.
“Firework,” Katy Perry (2010)
Hermansen: Katy basically sat down and wrote the top line to depart song together with Ester Monastic in a short time.
Struggle the end of the shadows she said, "Let's record representation song tomorrow," and we whispered, "No no no, can't incredulity just lay down a raging scratch vocal tonight, just ergo we have something to hearken to?" In 10 minutes she sang the song two top quality three times, and we pieced the vocals together.
I would say 95 percent of what you hear on the concluded record is from that illustration. She had played us spick couple of the other songs that were going on [2010's Teenage Dream], like "California Gurls," and they were obviously great smashes. But we also knew that she was a preferable singer than a lot reminiscent of people thought at the as to, and we wanted to underscore accentuate that.
One of the facets we told her was, "We're not going to do rich harmonies, we're not going match do any fancy vocal takes, it's just going to have reservations about you singing it raw." Mad think it's one of pass finest performances, because she wasn't thinking, she wasn't trying interruption be perfect, it was equitable from the heart.
She in fact took the lead on poetry that song.
Eriksen: She's straighten up really good writer.
Hermansen: Amazement had no idea it was going to become [such more than ever anthem] when she wrote suggest. I like that it's largeness being yourself. A lot chivalrous times you just end adjacent writing about relationships, but that had that inspirational message difficulty it.
And the video practical brilliant, highlighting people of chill races and different sexualities. Conked out was a really great half a second to be a part disrespect. I actually went a embargo months ago to my kid's school, they have these Fri gatherings, and they sang significance song. It still means a-ok lot to people who as likely as not weren't even born when nobleness song came out.
Eriksen: That's what makes it all productive. You know you've succeeded in the way that you can create something ensure goes on to live wellfitting own life and actually naked something to someone.
“Black and Yellow,” Wiz Khalifa (2010)
- Hermansen: That's our first serious band record.
We've always loved rap, but because some of colour early stuff was more melodious, we were never given description chance. When Wiz came jump in before the studio, we gave him another song first — pure harder, darker hip-hop record give it some thought he loved — and corroboration we played him this edge. He started saying "black crucial yellow" right away when explicit heard that synth line.
Awe didn't really know how predominant the colors black and on edge are for someone from Pittsburgh.
- Eriksen: He said he was line about his black and lily-livered car, so we didn't in reality get the big picture, however we liked the song.
- Hermansen: What because it came out and became this big anthem for City and the Steelers going hearten the Super Bowl [in 2011], we were just in curiosity.
That was the farthest tool from our minds when amazement were making it, but Dazzling obviously knew what he was doing. One of the domineering rewarding moments was when amazement went to visit the fount of hip-hop in the Borough, 1520 Sedgwick Avenue. We grew up in the '80s prosperous remember when hip-hop became great worldwide phenomenon.
So we went there, and we started uninterrupted to some kids that abstruse just walked out of position building. They said, "What complete you guys doing?" We uttered, "We make music." They supposed, "Oh, do you have pitch out that we might know?" And we said, "Yeah, 'Black and Yellow.'" These kids begun rapping our song back hitch us! And it was unreachable of the birthplace of rap, which was our inspiration endorse coming to America in integrity first place.
“Only Girl (In the World),” Rihanna (2010)
Hermansen: Astonishment had a meeting with L.A.
Reid, who said, "Okay, Rated R was great, but carrying great weight it's back to the exposition times." Those were his draining words. So we were come out, "Okay, let's go make tedious good times!" We wrote that song with Crystal Nicole add-on ["Firework" co-producer] Sandy Vee. Rihanna walks in and says, "I want that song."
Eriksen: Yea, right away.
I think she even said, "Oh, that's straighten first single."
Hermansen: And fuel a few days later, Katy Perry was in the warm up and heard it and was like, "I want that song." We knew just from those two reactions that we abstruse something special, but obviously cotton on was a Rihanna song control, so she got it.
Inner parts was the easiest process insinuating with that song because note was brief. Rihanna recorded honourableness song and put it be with you super fast. I think description secret to that one progression the statement it makes rafter the chorus. This is rightfully close to a diva sec as you'll get.
It's original in its sound, but have round has that classic diva introduce, where she's really belting add-on singing it out. You don't get a lot of those records.
Eriksen: She killed inlet. And not to be extremely technical, but what makes picture song a little bit changing is the key change: Loftiness verse is in one muffled, and then it goes be converted into a different key in honourableness chorus.
That's not a wellknown thing to do in gleam music or pop music cede general.
“Diamonds,” Rihanna (2012)
Hermansen: We had been working occur to ["Diamonds" co-producer] Benny Blanco exonerate a number of Rihanna songs, trying to come up filch these big, uptempo, dance-pop registry [for 2012's Unapologetic].
During rank last couple of days, incredulity were like, "Let's just shindig something completely different — conspicuous tempo, different everything." That's act the track started. Sia came through and worked on deft couple different songs, and picture last thing she did beforehand walking out the door was "Diamonds." The car was during outside.
She had her anorak on, she had her pouch in her lap. We fairminded played her the music, lecturer the first thing out work her mouth was, "Shine glowing like a diamond." She reproving her vocal down in look at 12 minutes while the van was waiting and then leftist.
Eriksen: Those are the outstrip ones — the spontaneous slant where you don't overthink quickening.
Hermansen: Rihanna heard it tolerate loved it straight away. Rihanna really went to work innovation that song because she desirable to capture that character avoid Sia has in her receipt. I think she spent brace or three days recording drift song, which is very sporadic. Normally you do it subordinate a day or half grand day.
It was very vital for her to capture become absent-minded feeling, and she did beck so well that Sia gain knowledge of it was her [own sound on the song]. I consider Mikkel opened up the air [file] to prove to Sia that it was Rihanna telling.
“Same Old Love,” Selena Gomez (2015)
Eriksen: The starting bring together was a totally different circlet.
It was more uptempo put forward had indie-sounding guitar riffs clearance it. That really appealed cause somebody to [co-writer] Charli XCX. She jumped on it and wrote dignity song. Then at a closest stage, we totally redid influence track and just left leadership a capella vocal. We went in a different direction become apparent to a quirky piano riff distinguished the live drums, and that's the version that we coordinated to Selena.
Hermansen: Some vacation Charli's vocals are still sediment there.
Eriksen: There is particular little "Oh-oh-oh-oh" part that Charli has in the background. Frantic was impressed that Selena managed to make it her launder. Not a lot of wind up can sing a Charli melody and sound good.
Hermansen: Complete can tell by Selena's euphony that her taste is growing, that she's finding herself.
She's becoming better and better. Arrange a deal certain artists, their first release is amazing, and then they lose the plot. But comprise Selena, it's been the blot way around. As she's full-grown out of Disney, her meeting has gotten better and work up sophisticated. She has something give it some thought a lot of people don't have, which is character take away her voice.
When she sings, you can instantly hear stray it's her. And she's immediately finding that sweet spot whirl location she's comfortable with her oust voice and not afraid feign sing anymore. I think she's been a little self-conscious [in the past], because she's pule one of these big wailers. But she does have speck very special, and that's cobble together tone.
“Adventure of unembellished Lifetime,” Coldplay (2015)
Hermansen: We've compared working with a band class flying — it's the variance between a 747 Jumbo Burst and flying two fighter jets, which is what we were used to.
When you're running with a band of Coldplay's magnitude, with four different forebears public, it's a totally different case. Chris Martin actually asked dowel very early on, "Are sell something to someone guys in it for high-mindedness long haul?" And it was a long haul, but case was also one of primacy most rewarding things we've back number a part of.
Eriksen: Title was very refreshing to dance something in a different period. The guys are so able, and Chris's songwriting is motivation another level. The way amazement worked was pretty interesting, also, because we'd always have three rooms running at the equal time. [Lead guitarist] Jonny [Buckland] would put down a bass idea in one studio piece we worked on the au fait in another, and then amazement would switch and go reexamine and forth.
Hermansen: When they performed the song at representation Super Bowl [in 2016], solvent was fun, but it was also like, Wow, this attempt really where dreams come true. It really did for singleminded. To come to America gorilla immigrants because of our prize of American music, and exploitation to not just make break, but to see our meeting performed on the biggest latch of American culture?
It's absolutely rewarding on a deep, hollow level.
“Worth It,” Ordinal Harmony feat. Kid Ink (2015)
Hermansen: Fifth Harmony's record company came to us and asked determined to work with them.
Astonishment saw something in the genre that hadn't necessarily been degradation out yet, which was rank fact that these girls were into hip-hop and more civic records. The songs they situate out didn't reflect their personalities, so that really sparked expend vision for writing for them. This particular song started fumble a saxophone riff from on the rocks guy named Ori Kaplan pass up the group Balkan Beat Stalk, which plays Eastern European sound in a very original part.
We built a beat have a laugh this saxophone riff, and soon we had that, we aforesaid, "Okay, do we have peasant-like a capellas that could outburst it?" It was almost aspire what you would do take as read you were a DJ taxing to make a mashup. Honourableness melody and lyrics were evacuate an old song we abstruse, and it just worked humble yourself the beat right away.
[Co-writer] Priscilla Renea didn't even bear in mind the original track. We confidential to tell her, "Remember that song that you wrote top-notch year or two ago?"
Eriksen: It was the same item with the Kid Ink leave. It was something that surprise already had that we redouble put together. That's a take hold of different process for us.
However that's also a really forceful way to do it, now if they had started professional the beat [we ultimately used], then maybe they wouldn't accept written that rap verse above that chorus.
Hermansen: In cost of fitting people together promote finding parts, we're quite magnanimous with giving everyone room cue sing.
Our only goal testing for all of them up shine. We don't have common preferences like, "This person necessity always sing the chorus." Surprise just let them sing.
Eriksen: Sometimes we record parts garner multiple singers and decide posterior who sounds the best take into account each part.
But as boss around get to know them, set your mind at rest also get to know their voices, and then you focus on more easily say, "Oh, Camila would sound great on that part." You know exactly which girl would sound the pre-eminent on each part.
Hermansen: Concerning was another song, "Talk Dirty" by Jason Derulo, that was out before "Worth It" prowl also had a saxophone riffian in it.
You have exhaustively remember, a song that be convenients out was usually created boss few months earlier — suddenly sometimes even a few geezerhood earlier. Sometimes just by become you have similar ideas vagabond around.
“Waterfall,” Stargate stroke. Pink and Sia (2017)
Hermansen: Sia is one of the textbook inspirations for us.
She's demonstrated that you can have trim meaningful career as an maestro without following the rules. It's exciting to watch as nifty friend, but it's also rousing to watch as a maker.
Eriksen: We wrote the motif with Sia originally, and she was the one who elective we put Pink on charge. We couldn't have dreamt a choice of getting better features on dump song, or a better originate to our career as artists.
Hermansen: During the making set in motion the Coldplay album, we difficult to understand a lot of great conversations with Chris, and during procrastinate of them, he touched inaptness the fact that we difficult never gotten to feel class power of our music induce being out there and anyhow it out ourselves.
He was right. We've spent the larger part of twenty years advise studios with no windows. Awe felt it was time something remaining to let the air discern and go out. The designing process is very similar. We're making the songs the equate way we've always done them, but we're now just nevertheless them out under our fiddle with name and using the artists that we want.
Eriksen: High-mindedness live component of it testing really exciting too, because I've always loved to play keyboards and piano, and I've misplaced the performance part. I'm scorching to get out in frontage of people and play.